Where is the exploration?

I agree, just explaining the reasoning (and having it not be critically flawed) as used to happen is all that's needed. Some will always hate it, some will always love it & some will make up their own mind.

I read through threads like these & wonder who sits in which category.
I don't need explanations of the reasoning behind decisions to enjoy a video game. Its either subjective fun as is or it isn't, the thought process devs went through isn't really relevant to my video gaming preferences.

They communicate less that they used to due to the increased toxicity :

 
I don't need explanations of the reasoning behind decisions to enjoy a video game. Its either subjective fun as is or it isn't, the thought process devs went through isn't really relevant to my video gaming preferences.

They communicate less that they used to due to the increased toxicity :

The only toxic thing about this thread are your attempts at shutting it down.

I'm not offending FDev, actually I said in several circumstances that I am loving their game.

I'm criticizing one particular choice they've made that is making one aspect of it less enjoyable for me in particular. Also, I am a new player, I wasn't even aware that there was already discord on this particular issue.

I believed I've raised some valid concerns, now anyone is welcome to listen or not.



Now I'll leave you to talk it out among yourselves. Thanks to all who have participated. :)

Actually, it was great to meet the community.
 
The only toxic thing about this thread are your attempts at shutting it down.

I'm not offending FDev, actually I said in several circumstances that I am loving their game.

I'm criticizing one particular choice they've made that is making one aspect of it less enjoyable for me in particular. Also, I am a new player, I wasn't even aware that there was already discord on this particular issue.

I believed I've raised some valid concerns, now anyone is welcome to listen or not.



Now I'll leave you to talk it out among yourselves. Thanks to all who have participated. :)

Actually, it was great to meet the community.
Nobodies trying to shut the thread down, I've helpfully answered some of your direct questions and explained why and how I enjoy the game.

Any secret agenda's you perceive exist only inside your head.

The article I linked explains in a fairly in depth way reduced dev interaction with gamers throughout the industry, but that's all it does.
 
Nobodies trying to shut the thread down, I've helpfully answered some of your direct questions and explained why and how I enjoy the game.

Any secret agenda's you perceive exist only inside your head.

The article I linked explains in a fairly in depth way reduced dev interaction with gamers throughout the industry, but that's all it does.
Well, you favorite quote is that I go play something else. Take no for an answer?

Don't worry, it was great to meet you, too. ;)

See you in the dark, cmdr.
 
Well, you favorite quote is that I go play something else. Take no for an answer?

Don't worry, it was great to meet you, too. ;)

See you in the dark, cmdr.
No, I advise people to buy and play the games they like in ways they like. Which is always helpful advice often badly received by people who take the opposite approach of buying seemingly at random then demanding alterations to suit their preferences. I just apply my preferences pre-purchase hence my lack of saltiness*.

I think they are unlikely to change an MMO just for you, you need to have realistic expectations to avoid disappointment.


*this is explained in depth in the article I linked
 
No, I advise people to buy and play the games they like in ways they like. Which is always helpful advice often badly received by people who take the opposite approach of buying seemingly at random then demanding alterations to suit their preferences. I just apply my preferences pre-purchase hence my lack of saltiness*.

I think they are unlikely to change an MMO just for you, you need to have realistic expectations to avoid disappointment.


*this is explained in depth in the article I linked
Yes, you see, there is no real "try before you buy", so what you do before you buy is research.

Now it seems that ED has a huge galaxy and I wonder what you'd want with it if not explore it.

So I buy it and I find a design choice that, to me, breaks exploration.

I come to the forums and ask if it's normal.

And I find that the answer is "it's debatable".


Outcome:
  • If an alteration is possible I'm welcoming it.
  • If it's not possible, I might learn to live with it.
  • If it's not possible because the devs need cater to a mindless grinding kind of audience, I'll drop. Is this the part that you find annoying?
But in no way I came to demand an alteration.

About your lack of saltiness, that could also be a matter of debate. Very much off topic now.
 
Yes, you see, there is no real "try before you buy", so what you do before you buy is research.

Now it seems that ED has a huge galaxy and I wonder what you'd want with it if not explore it.

So I buy it and I find a design choice that, to me, breaks exploration.

I come to the forums and ask if it's normal.

And I find that the answer is "it's debatable".


Outcome:
  • If an alteration is possible I'm welcoming it.
  • If it's not possible, I might learn to live with it.
  • If it's not possible because the devs need cater to a mindless grinding kind of audience, I'll drop. Is this the part that you find annoying?
But in no way I came to demand an alteration.

About your lack of saltiness, that could also be a matter of debate. Very much off topic now.
You can download the client installer and play the tutorials without buying to see exactly what you are getting, I did before I bought in in 2014. So with ED try before you buy is definitely possible.

If explorations your main thing youd be better off watching exploration gameplay vids pre purchase or zenning out to the game as is as there's no real competition along anything like the same scale.

I don't like 3rd person games, I deal with this world shattering "problem" by not buying or playing them.
 
It turns USS to ISS (though I often just use the nav beacon for that).
You mean if you honk, all the USS's then say what is in them in the nav panel? If so, that is new to me - I've always just lined them up and scanned them! That is useful to know - if that is what you mean?
 
The thing with USS you dont actually have to scan them do you? Correct me if i am wrong (its been along time sinse i logged in) but cant you just search thru space like you used to do before the FSS? Which is my preference. So why is the FSS play enforced for scanning planets? It specifically targets that gameplay and says "you have to now do things this way"
 
The thing with USS you dont actually have to scan them do you? Correct me if i am wrong (its been along time sinse i logged in) but cant you just search thru space like you used to do before the FSS? Which is my preference. So why is the FSS play enforced for scanning planets? It specifically targets that gameplay and says "you have to now do things this way"
Not true, you can do it either way or blend both.
 
  • If it's not possible because the devs need cater to a mindless grinding kind of audience, I'll drop. Is this the part that you find annoying
Yes. I find being defined as a "mindless kind of audience" because I like the FSS, insulting. Usually these threads insult not just the players who like the FSS, but the devs as well. Like I said, hate the FSS all you want, but don't be surprised when you get push-back for insulting those who invented it and those who like using it.

Granted, I'm no angel in the "insulting others" department (that includes FDev), but I don't go acting surprised when people "return fire", either. Bunch a space tourists, the lot of you! :p

ps - you'll note that I do take your side when it comes to bringing back the ADS as a separate, optional module, despite (or perhaps because) being a "mindless kind of audience".
 
Yes. I find being defined as a "mindless kind of audience" because I like the FSS, insulting. Usually these threads insult not just the players who like the FSS, but the devs as well. Like I said, hate the FSS all you want, but don't be surprised when you get push-back for insulting those who invented it and those who like using it.
I hadn't been paying attention to this thread, but this is the second time I've seen the OP assign easily-dismissed motives to people who disagree, just so that they can be dismissed easily. So this is where I stop paying attention again.
 
I hadn't been paying attention to this thread, but this is the second time I've seen the OP assign easily-dismissed motives to people who disagree, just so that they can be dismissed easily. So this is where I stop paying attention again.

I wrote this
Oh, I'm sorry, you didn't understand. I love ED.

Only because a baseline of Frontier's customers wants their game to be a mindless grind-fest, it doesn't mean that they need to have it their way.

As I said, I'll be back now and then for the panoramas, and I might make my voice heard in that the gameplay in this game is not dead yet. If I was to completely quit now, then the devs couldn't help but think that really all of their customers just want to grind repetitive tasks that a kid could script.

I will also keep looking for titles that are what ED promised to be, and that means that I won't sink any more money in the current project until I see it improve. Then, even if I actually was to find what I'm looking for (not easy) and ED hasn't improved in the meanwhile, I might decide to drop ED entirely, but I'm not sure that's going to happen so soon.

If you still find it odd to have me around, you'll have to bear with it, I guess.
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Play the games you like is the only sensible choice, hanging around the forums of games you no longer play can be very odd.
and after that it was just play to me. Sorry, no offence meant really.

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but I understand that if someone joins in the conversation now, it looks very bad. :(
 
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and after that it was just play to me. Sorry, no offence meant really.

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but I understand that if someone joins in the conversation now, it looks very bad. :(
Which I wrote in reply to you announcing quitting the game, making it on topic relevant and well intentioned advice. Even if you don't want to hear it.

But I'll be back to ED now and then to see some cool vistas.
Bazmeson would sneer at this thread from his throne of skulls.
 
Which I wrote in reply to you announcing quitting the game, making it on topic relevant and well intentioned advice. Even if you don't want to hear it.



Bazmeson would sneer at this thread from his throne of skulls.
Relevant and well intentioned advice, alright! 👏

Well my argument is lost I guess, in lieu of my bad temper.

Fine, keep your FSS. Now I'll have to find another chance to openly debate its features.


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I know, I'm not making it any better! 😫
 
And then you have CMDRs just going through and mapping the good stuff, leaving the dregs. I don't think composition should be known until you do a detailed surface scan up close. And there need to be some valuable moon types, maybe He3 or H fuel-rich moons? That way, people will be incentivized to check everything, and rewarded for doing so.
For all the apparent divisiveness around the subject, the FSS wasn't an accident, it was introduced because as far as FD were concerned, not enough players engaged with exploration (rather like not enough engage with CQC, Powerplay, Engineering, multi-crew... The list seems to go on, and the coming II seems to suggest that perhaps not enough are engaging with the Guardian content).

As far as exploration goes, the FSS targets the the things that FD identified were putting players off, namely long SC journeys to scan bodies and tag them (and get pretend credits in return), along with the new DSS the ability to find things on planets, and passive (AKA boring) gameplay. These changes speed up exploration, and that was likely a side goal, after all, over four years in and only about 0.03% of the galaxy explored. While the devs may say that they'd like players to map everything in sight, enforcing that would put them right back to the place that they identified that they needed to get away from to get players out exploring.

While suggestions to make exploration more involved, more skill based, whatever, hold merit, the fact is that FD would rather make it more accessible, have more players do it. The two Adams, when they introduced the FSS in concept and then demonstrated it in the first livestream were at pains to point out that it would be "intuitive, easy to use, and quick", which it is. They want players to get out there and explore, and to do that they feel that the way to encourage it is to make it easier and quicker, more accessible.

As far as players going through mapping the good stuff, and this was often the case before in terms of scanning, which illustrates that FD were absolutely right, those long SC journeys were simply too off putting for many players. On the flip side, with still far less than 1% of the galaxy explored, there's plenty of good stuff still to be found. The problem is you've got to sift through an awful lot of mundane stuff in order to find it... :)
 
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