The Star Citizen Thread V10

I can't remember how long ago it was when I became a backer in Star Citizen (I think around 6 years or longer ago) but not sure and I can't believe that this game is still in Alpha stage. Will it finish in time before I eternally depart this world? I beg to question.. I'm not getting any younger.
Thank god I have Elite Dangerous and thoroughly enjoying this simulation..
If any Star Citizen staff member tracks this thread, can they honestly advise when the 'light at the end of the tunnel' can be seen?
Or alternatively give a refund because I sure cannot see this game being released in my life time.
Very disappointed.
 
Burning laser holes in graphite meshed triffid gameplay confirmed!

Perhaps they can combine the drink mixing to provide never-done-before sealed dome horticulture guild interactions? Hopefully they will add the Nali Healing Fruit from the last video as a DLC!
 
We've got ship interiors people!
Now you could earn them in game....or for a low,low price you can make your favourite ship look different!
Large plants,that will probably help things along at some point....
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PxQqD2ratU
The idea of having visible ship components and subcomponents that take damage and can be replaced is pretty cool.

But they really need to stop adding features and get the game out there because once people start playing that's when you get a better sense of the direction you want to go in. Turning all these features into satisfying gameplay won't be easy. It will take time and balancing.
 
The idea of having visible ship components and subcomponents that take damage and can be replaced is pretty cool.

But they really need to stop adding features and get the game out there because once people start playing that's when you get a better sense of the direction you want to go in. Turning all these features into satisfying gameplay won't be easy. It will take time and balancing.
I'd rather they just fixed the damned bugs now and then... 😐
 
can they honestly advise when the 'light at the end of the tunnel' can be seen
There is a light at the end, and its a train on collision course.

Listen to the faithful though. CIG can take as long as they want to get it right. They shouldn't release a half finished buggy game. Listen to the most faithful, there is no need for CIG to release a game at all! (Seriously, i'm not making this up!).
 
ALPHA!!!!!
Only when it suits them ;)

Right now, it's unadulterated, bug infested crap with some occasional good bits... when they work...and you're not falling through lifts... or losing 200K of cargo due to stations eating your ship before you manage to sell the cargo...or losing complete control of your ship just because someone enters the co-pilot seat...or engines boosting uncontrollably/power randomly switching off when on final approach...or being trapped at Lorville/Area 18 for 2 days...or quantum travel plotting a path directly through a planet when targeting a player's beacon...or ships exploding for no reason...or trade terminals not working...or cargo missions not spawning collections/deliveries...

I could go on...but little point since I'd wear the keyboard out typing the list.

In a futile attempt at dark humour with the state of the project... 5 of us tonight...after several minutes of trial and error, actually managed to switch VOIP on so we could hear each other, dressed as civilian NPC's and stood outside the hangar elevators in area 18 singing "Welcome to the hotel California...!" at the top of out lungs every time a player stepped out of the lift :rolleyes:

3 of us had been stuck there for 2 days...due mostly to inexplicable game client crashes before we managed to land anywhere else to set a fresh respawn point on the rare occasion our ships actually spawned, were actually in the reported hangar if they did spawn... or we had been rescued by other players dropping outside the landing area at an external gate to ensure they didn't end up being trapped there with us. After 2 days, we almost had enough players to form a complete Eagles tribute band...
 
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If any Star Citizen staff member tracks this thread, can they honestly advise when the 'light at the end of the tunnel' can be seen?
Or alternatively give a refund because I sure cannot see this game being released in my life time.
Very disappointed.
When I refunded my participation in this mess way back in Summer 2016, they literally used your quoted line in an email to me along with "with full release nearly upon us" and how I'd lose all my "amazing" perks (towels etc).

Do yourself a cathartic and satisfying thing today....REFUND!. I rate the experience up there with donating a kidney.
 
I can't remember how long ago it was when I became a backer in Star Citizen (I think around 6 years or longer ago) but not sure and I can't believe that this game is still in Alpha stage. Will it finish in time before I eternally depart this world? I beg to question.. I'm not getting any younger.
Thank god I have Elite Dangerous and thoroughly enjoying this simulation..
If any Star Citizen staff member tracks this thread, can they honestly advise when the 'light at the end of the tunnel' can be seen?
Or alternatively give a refund because I sure cannot see this game being released in my life time.
Very disappointed.
You know the funny part is that 6 years or longer is indeed not that uncommon especially for small companies to push a product out the doors. I ve been following various small projects for years already and even tho I m really frustrated about the never-ending-early-access or alpha-status there are other factors at work that make it bearable compared to SC.

  • I m just waiting. I am not invested with money, the concept sounds cool and I want that but I dont participate in active development nor feedback but simply wait for the game to finally come out of EA so I can make a valid decision to buy it or not
  • progression is slow but its just a handful of devs working on this in their freetime
  • community interaction and development direction are directly linked and can be recognized within manageable timeframes
  • had a couple projects so far that either terminated before completion or developed into a completely different game then advertised. Devs have always been very clear and open about these things tho
Now for SC fanatics and fanboys to come out and universally applying the "7 years aint that long....." argument is very disingenuous because its used in such a vague context without similar conditions trying to gloss over how drastically different this project is.

Current Status of Star Citizen: some argue "alpha" but honestly...I only call it that to save time because for all its worth...its simply a tech demo allowing you limited interaction to "whoosh" you. The PU basically is just another "mode" like Arena Commander, Star Marine or the race module.
Completion towards a finished product. On a timeline SC currently is sitting firmly in the first half of its development cycle without having finalized an actual alpha yet. The following steps require more effort, attention and resources and become increasingly more complex the further the project advances. This doesnt include the usual delays happening into late-stage projects...something SC is very very far away from. Alpha is for all its worth a prototype or basic construct. Usually an alpha is created very quickly then tested extensively in order to advance to the other stages. Star Citizen tho is firmly locked in pre-alpha status after going through these years and (if we can believe the various rumors) and all its money. How this is not a cause for concern or even being accepted by so many is beyond me really. If you really WANT a game like Star Citizen to actually happen....you absolutely SHOULD be worried at this point.
Or maybe get into other alphas to get a real comparison to how "well" SC is doing. I m talking gameloops, stability or feature-list. You will always encounter bugs and glitches in alpha...thats why its an alpha but usually from what I ve seen.....other alphas run rock-solid compared to SC, maybe not at the visual beauty but we love games for the gameplay they offer, visuals are just secondary. In this regard the "its an alpha" argument is on the same level as "7 years aint that long". It tries to lift Star Citizen to the same level as other games even tho its worlds apart at this point.

For all its worth....CIG is running the same project-manual that all the other companies run as well. They simply "cook with water". Nothing really special about what they have to do in order to get a game out the door. That they dont understand the manual is quite appareant by now and reflects in all the confusing decisions made over the years. At first SCs stunning visuals were perceived (and advertised) as a side-effect that didnt take a lot of effort. By now we all know that creating all the vids we loved in the past and also to maintain the visual quality of the PU is absolutely time-consuimg and costs a LOT of resources while simulatously blocking an effective progression in development. It looks like 90% of CIGs effort goes into flash and shine with only a meaasly 10% going into actual development. The progress rate certainly indicates this.

At first CIG was given a lot of patience and leeway to come true on their own words. By now its clear that they are doing the same things that other companies did in their development. CIG just uses different terms or mispresents its own state or applied techniques to create a positive image (procgen anybody?). Blatant copying of other games features aside CIG is also coming to the same solutions to problems that anybody who is experienced in these kind of things knew for some time now.

Well then...it should be easy right? Just do what all the other companies did and get the game out then. We still love you chris.

Not so easy.....by the completely messed up beginning of the project Star Citizen is now in various corners that make "normal" game development almost impossible. And for what its worth....I cant see them making the switch to "regular mode" at all. Everything is so final stage by now that it looks like CIG can only hope to maintain the current cycle in order to survive...change or improvement literally equal a mystery by now.

Cannot change the graphics because they are the main selling point. Polishing requires a lot of attention and is expensive in the industry. After a major overhaul in this regard CIG is still locked in having to redo old assets whenever they introduce something new to their tech-demo.
Cannot add new stuff or does so very slowly because the effort to keep this mess together is extreme and also taxes the engine to its limits. Various hacks and modifications in the past changed this but it was always operating at 80-90% capacity (my guess).
CIG requires more money to even complete the alpha-stage of the project. Mutliples of this value (once its done and can be evaluated) will be required for the other stages of the project. Yet CIG and the pro-community talk about releases and behaves as if an actual completion is very close complretely ignoring that the other 50% of a projects cycle can easily take 5 or 6 times as long as the alpha alone. That is the worrying aspect when people say "7 years and its still in alpha? What the heck". Something a lot of clueless people quite obviously dont understand.

Of course all of this is not common knowledge (even tho its very logical once you start to get into the topic). I hardly knew anything when I started to watch SC but the time has given me some good insight into what to expect and how things are done without knowing any of the details (in CIGs case hidden behind its non-transparency) beforehand

The extreme defense we therefore see in the SC community against anything remotely negative follows the very same paths real world discussions go. The absolute best they can hope for is to achieve a local or temporary victory if bystanders perceive them as outwitting all the accusers and haters. Whatever they do doesnt change reality or the state of Star Citizen. Its development and success probability is completely disconnected from any discussion about it. The 7 years so far have only shown how often the pro-crowd has been wronged and confused about SCs true condition. And while the consequence of arguments and mind-gymnastics becoming more and more extreme is also akin to real world arguments happening in bars or living rooms the result stays the same.....completely disconnected from these statements.


I d like to add that all projections and discussions are based on the 2012 and its modified version of 2014 (16?) advertisement. We all have this picture in our mind of what SC tries to become. Some bask in that glory completely disregarding actual developments, others understand that image with the implications and problems the current development so far has shown. This is why most people understand that the current Star Citizen is indeed very very very far away from completion, Not even CIG denies this.

Now imagine if this image we all expect is just a lie and CIG currently works on pushing out the current tech-demo as a final product instead? Not by necessity but planned because they understand they cannot do anything else. They ll just focus to increase stability (check, not done yet tho) and to provide the most basic gameloops required (check, years of work remain), optimize the whole thing (if possible) for a couple of set-ups then drop it on the market and be done.....

And SQ42.....is simply combining all the outdated Mocap footage they have with the current SC PU. This is already a monumental task for CIG and can easily eat up the remaining 18 months before SQ42 is expected. That means the PU will stay the same, THAT is what you will get. Already new features are sold on the premise of "we ll deliver these sometimes after release"...like the other 99 systems for example...right?

Just think about that for a minute.

If this really happens....how long ago do you think Star Citizen has turned into a scam? At which point did CR and cronies realize they cannot do this, have no hope to achieve the fidelity ande complexity they sold to private people for millions? 2013? Was THAT the real reason for the "community poll" back then? To buy them more time? And at which point did CR further understand that adding more stuff to the pile and making the whole idea even more complex is NOT the solution? 2015? Everything past that is pretty much the scam I refer to when I call it that. An impossible project and CR knows it yet he continues to sell it as the dream.

As I said in the past....Chris Roberts is not a child or trying out his first steps in this industry. He is a legal and (probably) mental adult, has a family and claims expertise in game and project development. He was given private money on the basis of being a responsible and proficient expert in the required areas.

An image he blasts into oblivion himself by trying to play his own game. Not my doing. Not the faul of all the haters and critics. This is Chris Roberts proving his qualifications to provide YOU with the BDSSE.....

 
Only when it suits them ;)

Right now, it's unadulterated, bug infested crap with some occasional good bits... when they work...and you're not falling through lifts... or losing 200K of cargo due to stations eating your ship before you manage to sell the cargo...or losing complete control of your ship just because someone enters the co-pilot seat...or engines boosting uncontrollably/power randomly switching off when on final approach...or being trapped at Lorville/Area 18 for 2 days...or quantum travel plotting a path directly through a planet when targeting a player's beacon...or ships exploding for no reason...or trade terminals not working...or cargo missions not spawning collections/deliveries...

I could go on...but little point since I'd wear the keyboard out typing the list.

In a futile attempt at dark humour with the state of the project... 5 of us tonight...after several minutes of trial and error, actually managed to switch VOIP on so we could hear each other, dressed as civilian NPC's and stood outside the hangar elevators in area 18 singing "Welcome to the hotel California...!" at the top of out lungs every time a player stepped out of the lift :rolleyes:

3 of us had been stuck there for 2 days...due mostly to inexplicable game client crashes before we managed to land anywhere else to set a fresh respawn point on the rare occasion our ships actually spawned, were actually in the reported hangar if they did spawn... or we had been rescued by other players dropping outside the landing area at an external gate to ensure they didn't end up being trapped there with us. After 2 days, we almost had enough players to form a complete Eagles tribute band...
You make it sound alarming and awesome at the same time :)
 
What a laugh looking at that YouTube. It's been made that complicated that the owner himself doesn't know what to do.
Lots of people had access to the PU at this time "playing" it. It just shows that the mastermind behind this project doesnt know how things work nor did he had any idea how far along SC was at the time. He acts as if somebody else has been doing all the decisions so far and he just now learns about this.
 
Lots of people had access to the PU at this time "playing" it. It just shows that the mastermind behind this project doesnt know how things work nor did he had any idea how far along SC was at the time. He acts as if somebody else has been doing all the decisions so far and he just now learns about this.
He’s like the clumsy judge at a sandcastle competition of the game development world. Leaving a wake of destruction everywhere he goes,casually destroying months of development.
 
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