The End?

I hear ya Old Duck.

I find myself spending less time in game, and with longer breaks and fewer gaming hours between breaks. No hate, no rage, just been playing a long time, and many of hours. I still log in here to see what's new, and lots of folk that I enjoy keyboard warrioring with.

I'm still looking forward to what the future brings, and I'm sure I'll be logging in again as future updates arrive.

Until then, enjoy other stuff that life has to offer.

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You know RDR2 took a pretty hefty graphical downgrade shortly after launch due to an update don’t you?
RDR2 took a hit to ambient occlusion, but a recent update fixed that. Digital Foundry did a test and determined AO is actually better now than it was at release. However, I do think RDR2 may have taken a hit in texture quality and some other details seen close up. There seems to be ongoing debate about this. I actually uninstalled the update (I own the disk) and am playing version 1.00, just in case. One thing is for sure, I would not call it a hefty graphical downgrade. I've got screenshots from both 1.00 and whatever the latest version is, and I'm having a tough time seeing the difference. My gut says it looks better running 1.00, but any downgrade is not the disco shadow hell / elephant butt leather of ED.

Speaking of, if I could roll back ED like I did RDR2, I would be very tempted to do so. The only thing I would truly miss from 2.4 onward is the FSS. Planet coloration is nice as well, but it's currently bugged on PS4 (very noticeable macroblocking like a low-quality JPEG). It wasn't always this way - like shadows, a minor point release broke it. And this leads to your next point:

All I’m saying is the base PS4 isn’t exactly the gaming powerhouse it once was.
See this I totally disagree with. It's the exact same gaming powerhouse it has always been. If anything, most games get better on consoles over time, not worse, as developers learn how to maximize the hardware. My FLOPs, MIPS, memory bandwidth, etc. is the same now that it was when I bought my PS4. Therefore there is no reason for the same game to look worse over time.

But I totally agree that I cannot expect a PS4 to offer native 4K 60 FPS raytracing graphics. So relative to new PC gaming hardware, the PS4 is in its twilight days. Believe me, I'll be preordering a PS5 when the time comes! But as I said earlier in this thread, I do not expect ED to look as good on my PS4 as it does on a $2000 gaming PC. I do expect ED to look as good on my PS4 as other cross-platform games do, or at the very least, as good as it did when it first released on PS4 (after vsync was fixed).

I'll also confess that if someone gifted me a top-end gaming PC that could run ED at ultra+ settings 60fps 1080p, I'd be back playing it again, at least for awhile. But I'm not so addicted to the core gameplay to make such an investment myself. That's the point of this whole thread.

ps - Frontier themselves have confirmed that ELB is a bug, one that they have yet to fix despite their claims in the patch notes.
 
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Hoping for more survival/sim elements and less arcade shooter ones be implemented myself, but I might well be out of luck in that regard. Frontier seem intent on changing the trajectory for the type of game development they seem to have had in the past. At least that's the way it comes across to me.
Definitely this. I so wanted Elite 4 to be an advancement on First Encounters, with a flight model that needed to be learned and mastered, and that coupled with the idea of being able to land on even more detailed planet surfaces and explore, image, survey, sample and map...

And then they release it and it's an arcade dogfighting game with no planetary landings. 😕
 
Definitely this. I so wanted Elite 4 to be an advancement on First Encounters, with a flight model that needed to be learned and mastered, and that coupled with the idea of being able to land on even more detailed planet surfaces and explore, image, survey, sample and map...

And then they release it and it's an arcade dogfighting game with no planetary landings. 😕
... and now that there are planetary landings (although only on the blandest type of planets), the only thing there is to do there is shooting camera drones from a dune buggy...
 
I'm on my first break since Sep 2017, playing Skyrim for the past few weeks. Every day I think about going back into Elite so not to get rusty with the controls, but then that will take time away from this other thing so I dont :)
 
@Old Duck,

I think, like me, you find this forum more fun and informative than the game.

I agree the PS4 version of the game doesn't get the love it should, which may be the reason for your giving up on the game now.

My suggestion to you is to sell your PS4, buy a PC, change your commander name and retitle this thread, "The Beginning".

Your not going anywhere, admit it, come on, admit it. You love it here. It's your passion and you know it.
 
I haven't played in about a year at this point.
I still have the fantasy of playing and then I think, "what will I do?" ... and realise I don't want to do any of what the game offers.
 
I think if space legs come next year, the game will be completely transformed. You'll be back.
I don't mean to sound negative, but why would you think space legs will transform the game?

If FD make it an FPS addon as such, well, surely people who like FPS games already have plenty of them, and why would Elite : FPS be any better. Elite's strength is (or should be) flying spaceships in a 1:1 simulation of the milky way galaxy.

And if space legs is walking to the bar in the space station to pick up a mission, I can't see why people would choose to do that over simply looking at the mission board, at least not more than once. If it's making repairs to your ship, I reckon that will get old very, very fast. Same with walking around the ship, after you've done it a few times, why would you do it again, despite the wonderfully detailed graphics?

The only thing I think that can transform the game is if FD provide more fun things to do, better missions, better ways of finding materials that players want for engineering, and above all (IMO obviously) a total about face on relying on RNG for nearly everything.

When Horizons dropped and players could suddenly land on planets and drive around in SRV's, that should also have transformed the game, but it didn't really add enough content, certainly not for the years that have passed since its introduction. Sure, some people drive their SRV's just because, and that's cool, just as some people will walk or run around just because. But I suspect that most players want some kind off reason for doing those things, so unless there's compelling gameplay to go along with walking around, I really don't believe it will transform anything once the novelty wears off.
 

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I don't mean to sound negative, but why would you think space legs will transform the game?

If FD make it an FPS addon as such, well, surely people who like FPS games already have plenty of them, and why would Elite : FPS be any better. Elite's strength is (or should be) flying spaceships in a 1:1 simulation of the milky way galaxy.

And if space legs is walking to the bar in the space station to pick up a mission, I can't see why people would choose to do that over simply looking at the mission board, at least not more than once. If it's making repairs to your ship, I reckon that will get old very, very fast. Same with walking around the ship, after you've done it a few times, why would you do it again, despite the wonderfully detailed graphics?

The only thing I think that can transform the game is if FD provide more fun things to do, better missions, better ways of finding materials that players want for engineering, and above all (IMO obviously) a total about face on relying on RNG for nearly everything.

When Horizons dropped and players could suddenly land on planets and drive around in SRV's, that should also have transformed the game, but it didn't really add enough content, certainly not for the years that have passed since its introduction. Sure, some people drive their SRV's just because, and that's cool, just as some people will walk or run around just because. But I suspect that most players want some kind off reason for doing those things, so unless there's compelling gameplay to go along with walking around, I really don't believe it will transform anything once the novelty wears off.

It will bring people back, for a little while before they leave again once they realize that it's just new features, rather than new content.
But some people can't distinguish between features and content. So they heap praises and then prostrate themselves to the game altar, while trying to silence detractors. I know I quit a year after 1.0. Came back for Horizons, and then quit for 3 years after that before this April update.

Anyway, it's nearing the end for me again. Fed and Imp ranks to the max needed. Got my Cutter and 'Vette, engineered them part way... at least the FSDs, Frag cannons and Powerplants are maxxed out. Power Distros, Shields, Engines are at least G3/4s.

Maybe I'll do the Guardian crap for those FSD boosters. Shortening travel time is always a thing for me.

Looking to do pew-pew lasers, but the grind to Broo Tarkin means i have to get past the very unappealing Liz Ryder and Hera Tani. Borefest, so I'm considering abandoning it as I'm tired of mats grinding. And I don't pick up stuff while exploring like Doyle Wolfgang von Simpleton.. well i pick up stuff while killing NPCs (and I do that very often because it's fun to kill), but I don't explore or land randomly without a good reason, so....

Other than that, I'll probably grind core mine to put a load money in the bank before I sign off for 2020. I might need those billions immediately available once the new updates roll in. Prob have lotsa crap to buy or upgrade then. Who knows?
 
I don't mean to sound negative, but why would you think space legs will transform the game?

If FD make it an FPS addon as such, well, surely people who like FPS games already have plenty of them, and why would Elite : FPS be any better. Elite's strength is (or should be) flying spaceships in a 1:1 simulation of the milky way galaxy.
Depends on how it is done. Subnautica is a pretty cool "piloting submarines" game, yet if I was stuck in the seat the entire time, it would be a less enjoyable game IMO. No Man's Sky gets some things about "legs" correctly. For example, the ability to explore bases and outposts and whatnot. However, I'm not a fan of having to walk a mile just to interact with my frigate's captain or to get to an interesting part of the station. This is where an elevator / transport car would come in handy in a game like Elite, where boarding a transport gives us "fast travel" to different parts of a station, for example.

I personally look forward to exploring the interior of Inara bases, crashed spaceships, generation ships, outposts, a friend's personalized spaceship, etc. Being able to walk around and customize my own ship (like I do my Cyclops) would give me both a great sense of scale and ownership / connection with my ships.

So to answer the question, if done right, space legs could easily bring me back to the game for many months. I should also disclaim that I'll likely be playing 'New Era' on PS5, which hopefully won't be the buggy mess that ED PS4 currently is.
 
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Yep. But which of the two possible inferences you draw from that is up to you:

"People complain too much."

"There's something wrong with the game."
I choose a third one:

"People realize they can become tired of a particular game sooner or later"

I like Elite, but not all the time. Also sooner or later I'll like another game better.
 
I choose a third one:

"People realize they can become tired of a particular game sooner or later"

I like Elite, but not all the time. Also sooner or later I'll like another game better.
True enough - but from the point of view of someone objecting to or complaining about threads like this one, I'd assume that fits comfortably into the first inference: that people complain too much. Because the person complaining about the existence of a thread like this isn't just saying, "It's someone who's grown a little tired with the game after possibly several years of play taking a moment to express their thoughts on what particularly has brought it on". They're saying, "This person shouldn't be posting like this on the forum".
 
Let's put aside bugs and shadows and elephant butt leather for a moment and focus just on the game itself. I fired up Elite Dangerous after a few months on hiatus, did some things, and then exited with the thought, "I think I really am done with the game..." It just doesn't 'scratch the itch' like it used to. This is not a critique, as the same thing happened to me with other "open ended" games like Skyrim, Spider-Man, and even MMOs like DCUO and ESO. I just never thought it would happen with Elite.

I hang out here in the forums because I have a lot of nostalgia and good memories from my early days of playing Elite, and I have hope that perhaps new gameplay, missions, stories, etc. will someday be added to draw me back. Still, I'm kinda disappointed that the ride is over.

Like I said, this is not a critique or slam against Elite. I have plenty of those, but that's not the purpose of this thread. I'm not done because of bugs or even graphics, but rather that I just don't derive the joy of doing the things ED has to offer like I once did. I got over 2 years out of the game, which include some of the best memories in my gaming history, so I'm not 'rage quitting', just walking away into the sunset on a distance moon. Surely I'm not the only one to go through this. If you have a similar story, I'd love to hear it. Misery loves company, after all!

And no, you can't haz my stuff. If space legs and base building truly are coming to the game someday, I'll be back!
 

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I'm on my first break since Sep 2017, playing Skyrim for the past few weeks. Every day I think about going back into Elite so not to get rusty with the controls, but then that will take time away from this other thing so I dont :)
Ah Skyrim...See you in a year.

Modded Skyrim (1st on xbox, then on PC) is the main reason I took over a year off, there were other games in there too, but Skyrim is like a rabbit hole, you ain't coming out for awhile. After a break, I just started another play through, this time as a one-handed warrior/illusion battlemage. But this time I'm playing Elite daily which means I'm splitting my time. I'm way too into Elite right now to take another break.
 
Can't believe this thread is still rumbling on, A: because I thought "goodbye threads" were not allowed, and B: because if he were really leaving, he'd have already left by now instead of chiming in to this thread with such regularity....
 
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