Frontier's Annual Results have been published (June 2018 to May 2019), showing a record year and Elite passing 3 million basegame sales

The only people that made money, would have been those who short traded stocks, and there weren't that many at the time, other than those I would be very surprised if anyone else made money at the time.
Index options/futures...IRS swaps etc. The point is a lot of people saw the bubble and knew the extent of leverage in the US banking system was unsustainable. The issue, as is often the case, was that while money was being made and growth figures looked good there was no political will to regulate properly and force banks to hold properly liquid capital.

I've literally just been studying some case studies from this period as part of my investment risk exams. However, I feel we may be digressing.
 
Which share price drop are you talking about here?:
As I have stated, I'm not sure when exactly the drawdown occured but it is in response due forecast reduction in revenue. I think the fact fdev still aren't commiting to a dividend didn't help (you should read what some shareholders are saying on forums about that).

Anyway, I don't think this chat is going anywhere. I don't think anyone is disagreeing that FDev expect reduced revenues in the immediate future.
 
Index options/futures...IRS swaps etc. The point is a lot of people saw the bubble and knew the extent of leverage in the US banking system was unsustainable. The issue, as is often the case, was that while money was being made and growth figures looked good there was no political will to regulate properly and force banks to hold properly liquid capital.

I've literally just been studying some case studies from this period as part of my investment risk exams. However, I feel we may be digressing.
You are correct, we should not digress (i will say no more)
Other than I find your text above, DISTURBING!
 

Viajero

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As I have stated, I'm not sure when exactly the drawdown occured...
That is fine, but this is getting a bit messy because you seemed to be quite specific about the drop (8% quoted below), and about when it ocurred and why it ocurred when you said:

Share price is down 8% on forecast reduced revenues. Just FYI.
That drop occured BECAUSE of financial results and forecasts released by FDev.
I hope you can realize that if now your are "not sure when exactly the drawdown ocurred" or even about when the original forecasts you have referenced earlier made it to the public domain, then your comments do not really make much sense anymore.
 
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That is fine, but this is getting a bit messy because you seemed to be quite specific about the drop (8% quoted below), and about when it ocurred and why it ocurred when you said:





I hope you can realize that if now your are "not sure when exactly the drawdown ocurred" or even about when the original forecasts you have referenced earlier made it to the public domain, then your comments do not really make much sense anymore.
This is like pulling teeth. I do not know when the drawdown in share price occured and I do not know when financials were released. I know that the view of analysts is the 8% (i've read 7% somewhere as well) drop in share price is a result of reduced revenue forecasts. It's reasonably well publicised in financial press. I am not one of those analysts but I do trust their judgement over, with respect, someone who volunteers to moderate a video game forum and has no apparent experience or expertise in company financials.

Incidentally, if I wanted to hear a credible view on moderating a video game forum I would come to you, not analysts working in finance/accounting.
 
Referring back to a point I made earlier, these so call experts/analysts have no more of an idea than a volunteer moderator in my opinion. As you pointed out earlier they are now teaching investment risk analysis using 2008 to the likes of noob analysers, bit late don't ya think? what were they teaching b4?
 
Referring back to a point I made earlier, these so call experts/analysts have no more of an idea than a volunteer moderator in my opinion. As you pointed out earlier they are now teaching investment risk analysis using 2008 to the likes of noob analysers, bit late don't ya think? what were they teaching b4?
Your opinion is clearly wrong. I'm also not a 'noob analyser', whatever that means. Understanding scenarios from the past is critical in informing best practices of governance and stress modelling.

I realise telling this to a 'we've hade enough of them experts' type of person is probably pointless. We all know how well that mentality is serving society in 2019.
 

Viajero

Volunteer Moderator
I know that the view of analysts is the 8% (i've read 7% somewhere as well) drop in share price is a result of reduced revenue forecasts.
Ok, so:
  • Which drop is that? Please state the corresponding date (or dates, if applicable) so we can actually see what you are referring to.
  • When did the revenue forecast you refer to made it to the public domain? Please link.
If you state that a certain "drop" is the consequence of a certain "forecast" at the very least you should be able to show clearly when those two things happened in order to evaluate their connection (or lack thereof).

Otherwise your statement would not have much meaning.
 
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Ok, so:
  • Which drop is that? Please state the corresponding date (or dates, if applicable) so we can actually see what are you referring to.
  • When did the revenue forecast you refer to made it to the public domain?
If you state that a certain "drop" is the consequence of a certain "forecast" at the very least you should be able to show clearly both the drop itself and when those two things happened in order to evaluate their connection (or lack thereof).

Otherwise your statement would have little to no meaning.
Have you read anything I've written?

Again, it's well documented. If you distrust the views of every analyst who's commented on this then I see little value in continuing to provide you with the same answer in repetition.
 
So, then it should be relatively easy for you to source the answer for the two bullets I posted above? ;)
Yes. It is relatively easy. I'm not googling it for you though. I'm not sure you understand the concepts in reference anyway.

You're demonstrably looking to perpetuate a rather dull argument. It's a fairly typical type of the descent into the muddiness these threads seem to go. I don't particularly care whether you accept the cause and effects of analysts' views on the FDev share price or not. It makes no difference to me. You can either accept a simple fact or not. It's your choice.
 
Season? What that word? It comes from TV land? Is that like a Series or something? Please, do educate me further...

Regarding the original quarterly delivery estimates for Horizons (from FDev themselves), you know, Spring, Summer & Autumn 2016? Can you not possibly, conceiveably, just a little bit, think how some people might just have thought “Winter is Coming” implied a Winter release? Like, not the Winter the year after?
Ugh... the dreaded metaphor, bane of the Semanticist. “Winter”, in the case of “Winter is coming”, refers to a time of darkness and hardship. Winter, the actual season, was something of a dread time for folks in days of yore, when death tolls rose sharply, from exposure, from lack of food, lack of not frozen water, lack of medications, the spread of illness due to tight living conditions, and the dread of shorter days and longer nights, made worse yet by the lack of entertainment when shut in for months at a time.

I really shouldn’t have to explain it, but science is right, the densest known mineral is Cranium.
 
Ugh... the dreaded metaphor, bane of the Semanticist. “Winter”, in the case of “Winter is coming”, refers to a time of darkness and hardship. Winter, the actual season, was something of a dread time for folks in days of yore, when death tolls rose sharply, from exposure, from lack of food, lack of not frozen water, lack of medications, the spread of illness due to tight living conditions, and the dread of shorter days and longer nights, made worse yet by the lack of entertainment when shut in for months at a time.
Loath to return to this thread but...

a) the first part of post #338 really should have ended with “/s” as someone else thought I actually meant it...

b) the second part of post #338 was a question regarding how a Winter release may have seemed feasible given the previous release pattern.
I really shouldn’t have to explain it, but science is right, the densest known mineral is Cranium.
I really should say something snarky at this point, this being the internet and all, but I’ll give it a miss.
 
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Loath to return to this thread but...

a) the first part of post #338 really should have ended with “/s” as someone else also thought I actually meant it...

b) the second part of post #338 was a question regarding how a Winter release may have seemed feasible given the previous release pattern.

I really should say something snarky at this point, this being the internet and all, but I’ll give it a miss.
No one could ever hope to take home the gold in Olympic Conclusion Jumping like the Elite: Community.

We can, and indeed, should save the snarks - they’re more useful to Gordon Freeman.
 
No one could ever hope to take home the gold in Olympic Conclusion Jumping like the Elite: Community.
Dateline: early January 2016

The Question: “when might you expect or hope the mysterious 2.4 to release?”

Provided information:

1. base game 1.0 released December 2014
2. Horizons 2.0 released December 2015
3. release schedule for 2.1 -Spring 2016, 2.2 -Summer 2016, 2.3 -Autumn 2016

Personally, I’ll give a gentle pat on the back to those historic Olympic-standard hopefuls from this community, and a knowing look, “I can see how you may have thought that...”
 
Dateline: early January 2016

The Question: “when might you expect or hope the mysterious 2.4 to release?”

Provided information:

1. base game 1.0 released December 2014
2. Horizons 2.0 released December 2015
3. release schedule for 2.1 -Spring 2016, 2.2 -Summer 2016, 2.3 -Autumn 2016

Personally, I’ll give a gentle pat on the back to those historic Olympic-standard hopefuls from this community, and a knowing look, “I can see how you may have thought that...”
Because no deadline, real or imagined has ever been missed....

OpenXanadu anyone?
 
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